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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:59 AM

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• A female student died from injuries sustained in the rampage
• Authorities say gunman was killed by police; 19 students wounded
• Hospital: Six victims to receive operations
• Student says one gunman wore trench coat, began shooting outside
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MONTREAL, Quebec (CNN) -- A gunman was killed by police and at least 19 students were wounded after a Wednesday shooting at Dawson College in downtown Montreal, police said.

One student later died of her wounds, police spokesman Olivier Lapointe said. Radio Canada quoted Montreal Police Chief Yvan Delorme as saying the victim was a woman in her 20s.

Initial reports indicated that as many as four people, including two gunmen, had been killed, but Delorme told CNN that only the single gunman was killed. Police were looking for other possible suspects, he said.

Delorme would not comment on a motive, but said the shootings were not hate crimes or terror-related. (Watch students flee the scene -- 1:38)

Three of the critically wounded were in operating rooms Wednesday afternoon, and three others were awaiting operations, a Montreal General Hospital spokeswoman said. Two other critically wounded victims were in the emergency room, she said.

All surgeries should be completed by Wednesday evening, she said.

The spokeswoman said at least 14 victims had been brought to area hospitals. Eleven patients were transported to Montreal General and four or five more had been taken to two other area hospitals to ease the burden on Montreal General, she said.

Among the wounds being treated were gunshots to the head, abdomen, chest, arms and legs, she said. (Watch witnesses describe escaping through pools of blood -- 3:44)

Police cordoned off the 12-acre campus after the incident and searched a nearby shopping mall for suspects, a police spokesman said.

A SWAT team was in the college because "we believe there might be other suspects inside the Dawson College," a Montreal police spokesman told reporters.

Police were using search dogs in a door-to-door search for the gunman or gunmen Wednesday afternoon, another spokesman said.

The shots were randomly fired in the cafeteria and atrium, and students said they didn't think anyone was targeted, said reporter Genevieve Beauchemin with the television station CFCF. Students told Beauchemin that at least one of the gunmen was dressed in black. (Watch the scene inside the college, captured on a cell phone -- :50)

'He had no emotion'

A student told Global News in Montreal that one of the shooters was in his early 20s and was wearing a trench coat.

"He was saying nothing, just shooting. He told people to get away, and that was it," the student said.

Another student, Daniel Mightley, 21, said the shooting began outside the college. Mightley said he was heading to lunch when he saw one of the shooters to his right. The gunman, who was wearing a black trench coat and had a mohawk, fired a shot and "everybody just ran inside," he said.

"I saw his face and he had no emotion in his face whatsoever," Mightley said. "He was walking very slowly toward us and just shooting."

Mightley said he saw at least one person get shot.

"My understanding, at this moment, is that most of the students have exited the college grounds," Boccardi said.

Video showed students streaming from the campus after the midday shootings.

"People were literally running for their lives," said Beauchemin, describing what the students told her was a "stampede."

Emergency personnel and police, in bulletproof vests, wheeled people on two stretchers to ambulances. Boccardi said he couldn't provide a description of the victims.

A first-year student who didn't give her name said she saw one victim who had been shot in the leg being helped across the street, and another who had been shot in the stomach lying on the sidewalk.

"We were just sitting in class, and we were listening to the teacher and we heard guns going off," the student said. "We looked outside and everyone was screaming and crying and there were people that got shot that were running away.

"And then our teacher left, and he came back and said the gunmen were inside and we had to leave."

Dawson College will be closed until Monday, Radio Canada reported.

The college has 7,000 day students and 3,000 night students, according to the Dawson Web site.

In Canada, students as young as 16 attend college, which generally serves as a bridge between high schools and universities.

This is not the first shooting at a Montreal college. About 17 years ago, Marc Lepine opened fire at Ecole Polytechnique. Fourteen female students were killed in the December 1989 shooting before Lepine killed himself.

Lepine left behind a three-page letter blaming feminists for his not being able to get into the school.


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It's really scary to think that something like this could happen in the area that I'm in a lot of the time, and that it could happen any time. I go to this school in the summer, and this building is HUGE. It takes up a square city block. About 10,000 students attend the school, and about 3,000 where in class when this happened.

Dawson is connected to a mall and a Metro station underground. When you come out of the metro, you have the choice to go into dawson, into the mall or outside (just to give you an idea of how many people were in the area). I believe most of the "green line" was shut down.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 11:12 PM

I watched it on the news last night. It's scary to see how something like that could happen not once, but twice, espiecally in a city like Montreal.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 11:19 PM

Yeah scary shit, too bad its actually gotta happen before people realize it can.


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Posted 15 September 2006 - 01:42 AM

The worst part about this one is that it is apparently completely random and there was no selection on who was killed. For some reason, when things like this happen here in Canada, it makes you realize that things really can happen anywhere.

On the bright side, the outcome could have been much worse.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 05:22 AM

So I just heard on Comcast news that he was addicted to a game that had something to do with a Columbine recreation RPG video game, with you in control (Which in itself is fucked up).

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"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime," he wrote in his profile for a Web site called vampirefreaks.com.
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Just fucked up, nothing more I can add. But when I saw that the title was blaming video games for it, I idmediatly thought GTA. Heh, about time something like this wasn't linked to GTA.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 09:13 AM

View Posteggdog, on Sep 15 2006, 09:19 AM, said:

Yeah scary shit, too bad its actually gotta happen before people realize it can.


At least we Aussies know it can happen :D

I just can't believe this could happen again. I mean, after the Columbine disaster, and the other college shooting as described on the cnn.com report for this shooting, there should be some sort of security, to make sure nothing harmful is brought into school? Soon enough we'll see metal detectors in schools.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 09:23 PM

No we won't. Maybe in high profile universities, but we'll never be seeing them in highschools, colleges, and most universities. It would cost far to much money, and look how many entrances there are in schools. People think this kind of thing happens all the time, but really it doesn't. The media goes on and on about this, that's why we get the picture that our school are getting less safe everyday.
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Posted 15 September 2006 - 11:46 PM

View Post.Scarface, on Sep 15 2006, 05:13 AM, said:

View Posteggdog, on Sep 15 2006, 09:19 AM, said:

Yeah scary shit, too bad its actually gotta happen before people realize it can.


At least we Aussies know it can happen :D

I just can't believe this could happen again. I mean, after the Columbine disaster, and the other college shooting as described on the cnn.com report for this shooting, there should be some sort of security, to make sure nothing harmful is brought into school? Soon enough we'll see metal detectors in schools.


We have them in some schools over here. And security guards and random locker checks.


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Posted 16 September 2006 - 02:01 AM

Does any1 no wat this guy was like was he a goth punk guy or like real deep freak or like a african-american ??????????
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 03:25 AM

I think he could best be described as a goth. Though I think he went a a little bit further than your basic goth.

His webpage is here:http://vampirefreaks...1&u=fatality666
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 10:49 AM

View PostGTA_KING, on Sep 16 2006, 12:01 PM, said:

Does any1 no wat this guy was like was he a goth punk guy or like real deep freak or like a african-american ??????????
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 12:08 PM

If I recall it correctly, Bowling for Columbine went through a list of possible reasons and, in the end, suggested that it was due to the prevalence of guns in America.

Of course, as this happened in Canada that may not be so relevant.

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 01:40 PM

True enough, the Bowling documdrama was a bit overdone, but it DID offer a lot of interesting facts on the violence of Americans. Here in Canada, our gun laws are a fair bit tighter, however, being a "free country" we are going to be prone to incidents like this happening from time to time.

Unless we crack down tighter than a frong's arse on guns, we'll be open, to some extent to this type of attack. This is a lunatic (and a fucking coward) who simply reached the point of not caring about himself at all, thus making the lives of others around him worthless, in his tiny, twisted mind. Against people like this, there's no true "safe" measure. Once a person stops caring about themselves, our ability to stop them from doing things like this is all but gone. Unless we luck out and find the person before the actions start, we're fucked.

These things are rarer in Canada than the US, however being a Western society and having guns in our country, we're going to have to be prepared to face tragedies like this from time to time. Sadly, there will always be people too twisted or too stupid to give ANY value to human life, so unless we manage to find a way to detect this idiotic mentality before it reaches the breaking point, we're up the creek without a kevlar vest, as it were. Cowardice and worthlessness are the 2 terms I'd use to describe this fuckwad's lifestyle. If he doesn't give a shit about his own life any more, he ought to locate a high tower to leap from. Leave other people out, as they have some future and potential. Just because some social reject (his own choice, by the blogs and pics) can't manage to find his niche, he seems to think he has some right to take the lives of folks who DO find their place in the world.

Miserable, cowardly and in general, a form of life akin to maybe Hitler or Bin Laden is what this asshole was. It's good for the world he's dead, but sad he had to take another life in leaving our planet.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:06 PM

i heard he played a game that simulated the columbine shooting and everybody blamed the game.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:34 PM

View PostGTA_KING, on Sep 15 2006, 10:01 PM, said:

Does any1 no wat this guy was like was he a goth punk guy or like real deep freak or like a african-american ??????????

Wow dude.

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I think he could best be described as a goth. Though I think he went a a little bit further than your basic goth.

His webpage is here:http://vampirefreaks...1&u=fatality666
Pictures of him can be found here: http://vampirefreaks...p?u=fatality666

Decide for yourself.


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Posted 17 September 2006 - 11:28 PM

Okay, well I found out that the Girl who was killed is my friends, brothers girlfriend. I went to an amusment park with her once.

The guy was 25 and his name is "Kimverr Gill".
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Posted 18 September 2006 - 02:15 AM

Her name was Anastasia DeSousa, her boyfriend is/was Nick Debeyiotis; Kimveer Gill the killer.

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'To me, she was the most beautiful girl'
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Catherine Solyom, CanWest News Service
Published: Saturday, September 16, 2006

The life of Dawson College victim Anastasia DeSousa and her killer, Kimveer Gill, could not have been more different, her boyfriend said yesterday.

"Stacy loved life and he hated it," Nick Debeyiotis said. "She got along with everyone. He didn't get along with anyone. I don't know why he would shoot her, out of 10,000 kids.... I don't know what I'm going to do.

"I loved her and she loved me. To me, she was the most beautiful girl. She was such a big part of my life. I don't want to believe it myself. That she is gone. She was always there for me. And I will never see her again."

The reality of losing his high school sweetheart in a random act of violence was just hitting Mr. Debeyiotis, having finally seen her body on Thursday.

Gill had shot the 18-year-old once in the school cafeteria, and, seeing that she was down on the floor but still alive, proceeded to shoot her another eight times.

Unlike the shooter, however, whose body was taken away after he took his own life, Ms. DeSousa lay where she died until 6 a.m., her family hoping there was another explanation for her disappearance.

Only in the morning was she positively identified, thanks to a surgical scar that ran from the top to the bottom of her back.

"I don't understand why they couldn't have taken her out earlier," Mr. Debeyiotis said. "Her body had to stay there. That's not fair."

Mr. Debeyiotis and Ms. DeSousa, born three days apart, started dating in Grade 8. They had their sweet 16 parties together. They still did their homework together. Mr. Debeyiotis was with Ms. DeSousa until she fell asleep, the night before she was killed.

He described his girlfriend of four years as an outgoing girl who knew exactly what she wanted in life -- and always got it.

She loved to dance -- to the point where she had to be dragged off the dance floor at 4 a.m. She loved being at Dawson, where she had begun classes in International Business at the beginning of the month. And she loved to travel. They had both just returned from a trip to Cuba with nine friends in August, and she couldn't stop talking about it.

"It was the best trip of her life. I guess it really helps me to know how happy she was."



Mother of killer feels sorry
'It's not our fault'
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Graeme Hamilton, National Post
Published: Saturday, September 16, 2006

MONTREAL - Parvinder Sandhu knew her son loved his semi-automatic rifle, but she figured his trips to the shooting range were just a hobby. She had noticed that he had been feeling down recently but thought his spirits would lift when he found a job.

Then, late Wednesday, she learned her first-born, Kimveer Gill, the 25-year-old who still slept in the same bedroom he occupied as a child and ate his mother's cooking, was the gunman behind that afternoon's murderous rampage at Dawson College.

"He was a little bit sad this year, but we never, never thought that this could happen," Ms. Sandhu told the National Post yesterday. "The person who would never hit or hurt -- even with words -- someone, how could he do such a big thing? This is the shock we have now. It is out of the question, what he did."

Ms. Sandhu broke her silence because she wanted to send a message to her son's victims, in particular the family of Anastasia DeSousa, the 18-year-old who was killed. Ms. DeSousa was shot at least nine times.

"The girl, I feel so sorry for her parents. If you want to give them the message, tell them that the parents are feeling very, very sad and very, very mad about what happened there, and we never expected that," Gill's mother said.

"My sympathy is with them, and they should forgive us because it's not our fault. We did not raise him that way."

Friends of Gill say he grew up in a supportive household, with his parents -- immigrants from India -- and his younger twin brothers.

They remembered Ms. Sandhu fretting about her son, and as recently as this year seeking the help of one of his high school friends to help find Gill a job.

"No mother would raise her kids to be a bad person or something. Everything was going good," she said. She said he had never received medical care for psychological problems.

Now the family is racked by grief and guilt, wondering why they did not sense a dangerous change in Gill. "If we knew that something was going on, we would have done something," she said. "My husband is also saying the same thing: 'Oh God, if I knew a little bit that recently his mind is changing to other directions, we would have done something. We would have saved many children from getting hurt in Dawson College.' "

Gill did not hide his Beretta carbine semi-automatic rifle. "He showed the gun to everybody, to his friends, to us," she said. It was a friend who took the photos of him wielding the rifle in front of the family fireplace, which Gill posted on the Internet.

She said she did not find anything unusual in his interest in firearms. "It was a sport. It was a hobby for him," she said. "He used to go and practice, then come back home, put the gun away. It was not something hidden or something illegal or that he was a bad boy." She said she was unaware he had also bought the two handguns he had with him on Wednesday.

She knew he spent a lot of time on the computer in his bedroom but had no idea he was filling an online journal with hate-filled rants and violent fantasies. "We found there was a little change because he was a little quieter, but he still was normal at home, living with us upstairs, [sleeping] in his bedroom. It's not that he was alone in the basement or anything," she said.

When he left the house on Wednesday morning, she thought he was heading out looking for work. He had landed a good job at a Montreal electronics firm, Marconi Co., after dropping out of college in 1999, but was laid off two years later when the company downsized.

"I met his boss there and he said, 'You should be a proud mother of your son. We are very much happy with him,' " she recalled. He had held other jobs since but had not been working this year.

On Thursday, Ms. Sandhu said, she received a telephone call from a company where Gill had applied for work. "When they said, 'Can we speak to him? We have a job for him,' I couldn't believe it. I just said, 'No you can't. He's no more.' "

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